Nathan Lustig

How To Apply for Chilean Permanent Residence Visa

Chile just approved my Permanencia Definitiva or permanent residence yesterday so I thought I’d share the steps you need to take you successfully get your visa. If you’re looking for temporary chilean visa info, check my previous post.

The entire process takes 6-7 months from when you first apply to when it’s granted or denied. They accept english applications, but in my opinion it makes sense to translate everything. If your spanish is bad, pay someone to translate your application.

Step 1 – Review Previous Visa Requirements

You must have already had a temporary visa for at least one year and have spent at least six months of that temporary visa in Chile. If you don’t meet this criteria, you must apply for another temporary visa. You’re only able to apply for a temporary visa twice, after that you must apply for a permanent residence. If you don’t meet the previous visa requirements, the extranjeria tells you you should apply for the permanent residence anyway and then appeal if it’s denied.

Step 2 – Review Application deadlines

You can first apply 90 days before your temporary visa expires. Do this as early as possible to minimize time you have with an expired carnet. More on this later.

Step 3 –  Go to Extranjeria website to pick your visa type

If you have your own business, Inversionista is likely the best one for you, but there are many other options. If you get confused or don’t know which one best fits your criteria, go to extranjeria in person and ask. They were very helpful every time I went and had questions.

Step 4 – Review the requirements.

Here’s the requirements for Inversionista. You can find the rest of the requirements for permanent visas here.

Step 5 – Fill out forms

Download the current Residencia Definitiva document (pdf) from Extranjeria and fill it out.

Step 6 – Get Certificado de Antecedentes from Registro Civil

You can do this online if you’ve already registered in the system or you have to go to a Registro Civil in person.

Step 7 – Get Certificado de Viajes from Policia de Investigaciones (PDI)

This document shows how long you’ve been out of the country during your last visa. Go to PDI offices at Morandé 672. This tramite costs CLP$800 and you usually have to wait at least an hour, sometimes more. It’s open from 830-1400.

Step 8  – Get all your paperwork

  • Copy of both sides of your carnet
  • Copy of certificado de registro. You can use your certificado from last year or pay another CLP$800 from the PDI to get a new one when you’re getting your certificado de viajes.
  • Copy of your passport with all ID pages and any pages with Chilean visas or stamps. I just copied the entire thing.
  • Three 3×2 color photos with your name and rut

Step 9 – Write your personal statement

You need to write a personal statement why you’d like to stay in Chile. I included my resume, everything I’ve done in Chile, any press clippings from Chilean newspapers and my plans to stay in Chile, plus bank information showing that I would not become dependent on the state if they granted me the visa. My packet was about 15 pages long and the clerk in Extranjeria told me it was more than enough. Most people write a page and that’s it.

Step 10 – Get business documentation (if Inversionista)

If you’re doing the Inversionista visa for your own company or if you are an independent contractor you need to prove you are making money and have assets in Chile. You’ll need:

  • Copy of operating agreement (Escritura) of your Chilean company
  • Certificado de inicio de actividades from SII
  • Your company’s last 8 IVA payments
  • Your company’s last “balance tributario”
  • Your company’s last “declaracion de renta”
  • Proof you’ve paid your company’s patente
  • Proof that you actually own stock in the company

If you’re doing it as an independent contractor (emits boletas), you need to prove the same things as above, but with your own personal records.

Step 11 (optional) – Take everything to Extranjeria for a review

The clerks at Extranjeria are happy to go through your paperwork with you and tell you if everything is in order. I did this and realized I was missing a form, so for me it was worth it.

Step 12 – Mail all of this via Correo Certificado to:

SEÑORES:
SOLICITUD PERMANENCIA DEFINITIVA
CLASIFICADOR N° 8
CORREO CENTRAL
SANTIAGO

Step 13 – Wait for “Visa en Tramite” temporary 6 month visa.

Extranjeria says it will take 45 days and mine took exactly 45 days. If your old visa has expired (like mine did), you cannot reenter Chile on your old visa and must pay for a tourist visa if you enter before you get your “visa en tramite” paper work. You can check on your progress on the extranjeria autoconsulta website. Once you’re approved as “en tramite” you can print off your form which allows you to travel on your temporary six month visa.

Note: you must bring that paper with you if you travel, as your carnet will be expired. Make sure you have it on your person, not in your luggage. I made this mistake once and had to convince someone from my flight to get my backpack from baggage claim for me while I was waiting with a PDI agent who was mocking me the entire time.

You will get a letter from Extranjeria that says that your visa is “en tramite” and that you’re allowed to do any legal activity that you used to be able to do on your old visa, but no Chilean entity actually recognizes it, including:

  • Entel
  • VTR
  • Movistar
  • Claro
  • SII
  • Banks
  • Anywhere that requires a valid carnet

Basically you can’t do anything in Chile with your letter because nobody recognizes it. This was the most frustrating part of being between visas. I was carnetless from Nov 15th, 2012 until May 17th, 2013. If you have any official business, get it done before your carnet expires or else you’re screwed.

Step 14 – Pay application fee

You have to pay a fee, depending on the visa your applied for, via bank check at any bank. Mine was ~$50.000 and I had to go in person to my bank to pay.

Step 15 – Wait for approval or denial

It took me another five months before I was approved. You can check again on the extranjeria autoconsulta website for news.

Step 16 – Go to Extranjeria with your visa acceptance form, carnet and passport and get your permanent visa

Step 17 – Go to PDI to register your address and get your certificado de residencia definitiva (CLP$800).

Step 18 – Go to registro civil to get your carnet (CLP$4.050)

Step 19 – Wait two weeks and go back to the registro civil to pick up  your carnet

Step 20 – Drink a piscola to celebrate being a Chilean permanent residence and being done with all of these tramites!

Once you have the visa, you must either visit Chile once per year or you must go to an embassy once per year to renew your visa. If you go the embassy route, you’ll need to come back to Chile once every four years to keep your visa valid, or else you lose it.

Note: please review each step on your own, this is the process I used in 2012/2013 and may change without notice.

Looking for more high quality information about Chile? Check out my book Chile: The Expat’s Guide:

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Entrepreneurship is Natural Talent Plus Training

Entrepreneurship is natural talent plus training. So is success in any other endeavor. People buy it in sports, art, music, foreign language and math, but those same people don’t believe its true in entrepreneurship. They’re wrong.

There’s a narrative that entrepreneurs are born, not made. This is true of the Elon Musk’s, the Lionel Messi of the entrepreneurship world. The entrepreneurs with the highest potential to change the world are born with immense talent, but they also train incredibly hard. These are the (mostly) guys who had lemonade stands, sold candy out of their lockers or cut lawns, etc.  If you want to be in the top 1% of entrepreneurs, you need to be born with the talent to do it and have the opportunity and training to take advantage of the talent.

But the narrative is completely false for the rest of entrepreneurs. If you’re in the top ~60% of natural entrepreneurial talent, with the right training and opportunity, you can be successful. Just like anyone in the top 60% of athletic ability can learn to play a sport competently. By training your entrepreneurship talent you can take control of your life and ditch being chained to a desk, slaving away for someone else.

I’ve seen it first hand teaching entrepreneurship classes at two universities. Between the ~40 entrepreneurs in the two classes I teach there are only two stereotypical entrepreneurs. The vast majority have already graduated and worked in big companies or are engineering students still in school. They are nearly all first time entrepreneurs who have interesting ideas and some entrepreneurial talent. But nearly all of them will fail without training. We’re giving them the tools they need to have a better chance at success, just like a soccer coach would train people who want to get better, or how you’d train yourself to get better at a foreign language.

We’re not alone. There’s tons of entrepreneurship classes that are having the same success we are. Many of them are doing it on a bigger scale. But still, the narrative persists. I am confident that if you’re in the top 60% of entrepreneurial talent and want to train hard, you can be a successful entrepreneur. It can be self training like starting a business on your own, but it can also be guided in a classroom or on the internet.

Entrepreneurs who mowed lawns, had lemonade stands or sold candy at school got a head start on their training compared to others. They had decent talent, but got started training earlier. That’s why many of the successful entrepreneurs fit the narrative. But it’s never too late to start. My class is proving it. Lean startup is proving it. Countless programs around the world are proving it.

We need to start to think about entrepreneurial skills as any other life skill: something we can learn and something that should be part of a well rounded human being. Once we break the narrative, we’ll unlock our society’s entrepreneurial potential and help more people break the chains of needing a job. They’ll be able to support themselves as their own bosses.

Madison’s Isthmus Wrote About Me, Madison, Startup Chile and Entrepreneurship

Mark Eisen of Madison’s The Isthmus wrote an article, Nathan Lustig Takes His Talent Abroad, about me, Madison, Startup Chile and my background of what made me an entrepreneur. If you’ve read my blog, you’ll probably recognize many of the stories that Mark wrote about. It was really fun chatting with Mark about Madison’s future and the startup scene that we’ve building for the past decade. I’m glad I can still be a part of it from “5400 miles away.”

I wanted to make one clarification about about the business school: while it’s true I absolutely hated Accounting 100, the first two weeks were incredibly helpful in understanding how Quickbooks worked. Although the classes and many of the students weren’t my style, I owe a ton of my success to some of the professors there including John Surdyk and Anne Miner who run the Burrill Business Plan Competition where I first met Joe Boucher, a UW professor and my lawyer, Jon Eckhardt who helped me a ton with both ExchangeHut and Entrustet. Plus two of by business partners were business students who graduated from the entrepreneurship program!

Thanks to Mark for writing and everyone who took time to be interviewed to make the article happen. Thanks Joe, Matt, Forrest, Scott, Maite and anyone else who I missed. And it’s true. I’ll be back in Madison for at least awhile in late June! It will be great to see you all.

Rethinking Startup Chile 2.0

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Startup Chile is one of the most innovative government programs I’ve ever seen. Chile’s government wanted to improve it’s entrepreneurial ecosystem, change the culture to support entreprenuership, create jobs and diversify the economy. Instead of investing in infrastructure like expensive research parks or picking a few companies to invest hundreds of millions of dollars, Start Chile gives entrepreneurs $40,000 grants, a visa and office space in exchange for coming to Chile to work on their business. Since 2010 more than 600 teams have come to Chile to develop their business. It’s an unquestioned success.

The culture has improved, Chile’s known for startups, many companies are having success and most of the money is being recycled into the Chilean economy. Entrepreneurs are staying, partnering with Chileans and continuing to find success. After being featured (for free) in every important media outline in the world, the worldwide perception has changed.

Before: Earthquakes, wine exports, fruit exports, rescuing miners. Now:  When I went to South By Southwest, everyone had heard of Startup Chile and talked about Chile as an innovative, startup friendly country.

When I first came to Chile in 2010 a typical conversation with a new Chilean acquaintance was:

Chilean: “Where do yo work?”
Me: “I have my own business.”
Chilean: Quizical look. “So you don’t have a job?”
Me: “No, I have my own business”
Chilean: Confused. “So you’re unemployed?”

Now people say, oh awesome, entrepreneurship, followed by “I have an idea for…” or “my boyfriend, sister, best friend has an idea for…” In 2010 girls I’d meet would turn up their nose at entrepreneurship, be worried and ashamed that they couldn’t explain what “an entrepreneur” did to their friends and parents. Now, while they still prefer someone who works in a big company, it’s at least cool to have your own business.

The program is working and other countries are starting to emulate Chile’s success. Brazil has launched the most credible alternative, but companies have to give up equity to private incubators. I believe Startup Chile could make a few changes to improve version 2.0, if they decide to do it and that other entities should being to copy the model. I doubt another country will be able to do it on a national level because of national politics, finances and beurocracy. That Chile was able to is almost a miracle and a huge credit to SUPs founders. But a state, city or even private foundation in a desirable country like the US, Canada, most of Europe, Australia, etc could iterate on the model and find success.

Creative, innovative, hard working people power our new tech driven economy, relying on an ever shrinking percentage of the population to grow the economy. Cities and countries should be competing to attract this top talent. And an iterated Startup Chile type program is one of the most cost effective policies that one can impliment. Here’s how I’d structure a Startup Chile 2.o, whether it’s on a country, state, city, or even private foundation level:

1. Give entrepreneurs equity free grants in exchange for moving to your city for 4-8 months. Grants can be between $20,000 and $80,000, depending on the incentive needed to get people to move. For example, Chicago is an incredibly livable city and might only need to pay $20,000, whereas Des Moines, IA might have to pay $60,000, and Gary, Indiana, $80,000.

2. Entrepreneurs apply online, but to be selected you must have an in person or skype interview. In person preferred, but skype will suffice. A skype interview would have weeded out many of the maringal Startup Chile entrepreneurs.

3. Judges should be successful entrepreneurs and investors. No academics, government officials or lay people.

4. Favor entrepreneurs with experience, judge on quality of entrepreneur (80%), less on the quality of the idea (20%).

5. Favor entrepreneurs who are attacking a need in the local market. The best Startup Chile companies attack the Latin American market or at least use it as a test market. These teams are more likely to stay after the program ends.

6. Never bring more than 20 teams per month.  SUP currently brings teams in groups of ~50 six times per year. That’s too much. Bring 20 every month to increase networking, camaraderie and even out entrepreneur demand for services.

7. Help with housing, social life and integrating with the city. You want entrepreneurs to stay. Make their lives easy. Don’t let them live in bad neighborhoods and help them with network.

8. Fund entrepreneurs in residence to act as mentors and search for ideas in the local market. Give entrepreneurs time and a bit of money and they’ll find a problem to solve. After I sold Entrustet, I would have loved to get paid a stipend to cover living expenses to come to Chile, mentor SUP particpants and look for ideas. Bring entrepreneurs to your city and watch them work.

9. Require weekly mentorship meetings with EIRs, local mentors and local team. This fosters relationships between the local staff, gets the entrepreneurs more plugged into the city and forces them to have some accountability.

10. You recieve 50% of the money up front. After half of the program, there’s a progress report. ~25% of teams recieve no further funding. They may stay in the program, but don’t get more money. The savings are used for follow on rounds for the top ~10% of companies or EIR ideas.

11. A strong demo day to force entrepreneurs to show what they’re doing publicly and give them press, connections and a taste of being in the spotlight.

12. A private weekly blog to track company progress. Mentors, peers and team can view, comment and give feedback.

13. Alumni tracking. The strongest accelerators (YC, Techstars, 500 Startups), have powerful alumni networks, analytics about previous companies. They know why they failed and succeeded. Use this data to show that the program is working, plus iterate on the model to improve entrepreneur selection.

I would love to see Madison or the state of Wisconsin be the first place in the US to iterate on the model. Whether the funding comes from the city, the state or even a private foundation, I think Madison could do something incredibly innovative for $750,000. That’s a drop in the bucket for the state budget, a bigger commitment for the city, but completely in reason for a private non profit.

I would bring 10 teams to Madison for four months (summer/fall of course) and give them an initial grant of $20,000, help finding office space, a place to live and connections to the local startups. After four months, I’d give the most successful ones a follow on round of $40,000 as a incentive to keep them in town. I’d also bring 5 entrepreneurs in residence to act as mentors and search for their own ideas. I’d hire a staff of 4 to manage the program, rent a small office and get going.

For $400,000 of grants, plus an office and four jobs, you could replicate Startup Chile in Madison. At least half of the $400,000 would likely be spent on local rent, hiring locals and at bars, restaurants and local service providers. For a total of $750,000 you’d immediately create four jobs and jumpstart your economy. After the first round, we could see if it was working. I bet it would be. And then we could iterate some more and expand.

Focus on people and your economy will grow.